Why didn't Selanne and Kariya work out in Colorado?

[Danny46]

Selanne was the injury, Kariya i feel he was never the same after Stevens hit...

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Selanne was the injury, Kariya i feel he was never the same after Stevens hit...

Kariya was damn good in Nashville. He wasn't healthy most of the Colorado season either

 

[JianYang]

Kariya was damn good in Nashville. He wasn't healthy most of the Colorado season either

Kariya was still good, but I agree he was never the same after that suter play.

Selanne on the other hand is probably a guy who can actually thank the lockout for resurrecting his career and playing into his 40s.

It's just a case of two guys joining at the wrong time in the wrong era, and at least in teemu's case, very beat up and in need of rehabilitation.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

They were both super injured.

Kariya was also post-Scott Stevens concussed.

 

[Brodeur]

Just taking a look at ice time:

Kariya:
2001-02: Anaheim - 22:13/game - 13:37 EV - 5:27 PP - 1:09 SH (25 PP points)
2002-03: Anaheim - 20:17/game - 15:22 EV - 4:27 PP - 0:28 SH (35 PP points)
2003-04: Colorado - 18:37/game - 13:22 EV - 3:31 PP - 1:44 SH (14 PP points, 51 games)
2005-06: Nashville - 19:05/game - 12:20 EV - 6:07 PP - 0:38 SH (46 PP points)

Selanne:
2001-02: San Jose - 16:58/game - 12:21 EV - 4:21 PP - 0:17 SH (21 PP points)
2002-03: San Jose - 19:14/game - 14:05 EV - 4:26 PP - 0:43 SH (23 PP points)
2003-04: Colorado - 16:10/game - 12:45 EV - 2:28 PP - 0:57 SH (9 PP points)
2005-06: Anaheim - 17:48/game - 12:02 EV - 5:36 PP - 0:11 SH (40 PP points)

Aside from injuries, both guys saw different usage after joining the Avs. Namely a dip in PP time since it was difficult to fit Kariya/Selanne into PP1 with Sakic/Forsberg/Hejduk/Tanguay up front.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

now that i’m thinking back to this, i also wonder if they were just the wrong players for that system?

yes they were a superteam with two centers each capable of competing for a hart/ross, but in the transition from crawford to hartley, they also became a lockdown team defensively.

the 2002 season, when roy almost won his third vezina, the avs were bottom half in goals for, but had the fewers goals against by double digits (and almost twenty fewer than new jersey). then in 2003, the goals for went back up in the forsberg/hejduk season, but they were still 7th in goals against (fewer than detroit, one goal more than the babcock ducks, trailing only the lemaire wild in the west).

tbh, i don’t really remember the specifics now — i only remember one colorado game from that year, you all know the one — but as they’re now riding aebischer in ’04 instead of roy, was this a case of adding two run and gun guys to a defensive shell team and they were just lost/badly managed by a rookie coach? (and funnily enough, granato’s rookie assistant coach that year, btw, is going to win the adams this year)

 

[MadLuke]

Aside from injuries, both guys saw different usage after joining the Avs.

Could be a bit one of the same in this particular situation:

First 5 games Kariya was on the PP1, 5 minute a game:

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2 goal on the Power play already.

Then missed a lot of games, would it have worked out and been healthy, he probably stay on PP1.

Kariya i feel he was never the same after Stevens hit...

I remember people saying it was both, nagging injury removing to Kariya almost all that made him special wrist-and something in the core and legs.

He was not that pre Sutered guy that would challenge anyone for the Ross if he play 80 game a season anymore, for sure:

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But PPG in a very thought scoring league, sure still possible in a good season.

 

[VanIslander]

They didn't have a Steve Rucchin to win faceoffs, dish off, backcheck and embrace the Pivonka/Bodnar role.